Nu din întâia I consider myself as an attractive, and romantic highly intelligent, caring, sincere, hardworking,I'm honest, loyal, good listener well I enjoy playing golf, watching movies,cooking dinner at home and watching t.v.I enjoy my life and my situation and am looking forward to sharing my life with someone who is also content but knows that life is more full when shared with a loving partner,My ideal partner would be someone who is also caring and who is able to be open and honest in a committed relationship,I am a Christian woman who put Christ first in my life MMM
O fata deosebita cu simtzul umorului dezvoltat peste masurile asteptarilor tale... Jag är ett öppet hjärta dam, dedikerad dam som behöver en själsfrände, som kan ersätta den glädje som jag har förlorat allt detta samtidigt. Jag är ärlig, pålitlig, trogen och allvarlig i vad jag gör i alla lägen finner jag mig själv. Jag är en dam som älskar vad du är och inte vad du har och jag känner mig avslappnad och gå vidare tillsammans så lätt med människor som jag möter jag har varit i ett förhållande innan som jag har learn't från .. För jag vet inte hur man lita på en människa längre .. Eftersom jag tror att män är alla likadana .. Mitt första förhållande som var min första kärlek någonsin .. . Vi båda fann varandra och även han lovar att gifta sig med mig och han lovar att inte bryta mitt hjärta .. Han berättade för mig så många söta lögner som jag dumt nog tro honom .. Jag litade på honom med mitt hjärta .. Jag visar honom kärlek och även jag begår mitt liv till honom ... Jag var trogen och ärlig mot honom tills en ödesdiger dag jag fångade honom med en annan kvinna på sängen .. Jag var i chock .. Jag kunde inte tro mina ögon .. Eftersom jag inte kunde tro att någon som jag verkligen älskar kommer att sluta bryta mitt hjärta och även förde mig besviken också .. Så från det jag lär mig aldrig att lita på en man .. Eftersom det var så smärtsamt för mitt hjärta att leka med och även för någon att ljugit och berätta att han älskar mig Placut din spusele multor persoane Ceva la care visez de mult timp
imi dati popppp.... sau morrrr!!!! Sunt o persoana carismatica cu un simt al umorului suficient de dezvoltat.Ador sa calatoresc,sa cunosc locuri si persoane noi, Suntuoso o persoana f deschisa si sociabila.nu suport gelosia, infidelitatea , oamenii mincinosi. decideti voi o prietenie sincera si cine stie....
imi place destul de mult sa-mi petrec timpul liber alaturi de persoana iubita I am a cheerful, life-loving and purposeful young woman, open-minded and loyal, reliable and honest. I am here not for fleeting or temporary relations, but i am looking for a man to give my love to. I am a very senzual and tender woman and my dream is to spend all my spare time with a loving husband, caring about him, just kissing and cuddling, doing something together. So, i need only a tender man who loves to be pampered sensually and give the same to his woman, who needs a lot of attention from beloved woman and has a lot of love to give. dragutza un barbat care sa gandeasca matur si sa stie sa aprecieze o femeie
Sunt cea mai dulce fata. Sunt fierbinte. Cred c-am luat o febra urata cu prilejul ultimei excursii in Congo. Keep out! P.S. Mai berbecilor, lasati pupicurile dulci ca nu ne-am tras de sireturi la gradinita. P.P.S. Well, sunteti cam grei de cap - o nevastă nu poate fi niciodata chiar atat de...So, I'm a man, caraghiosilor. E doar unul dintre miile de profiluri false, deci... pierdeti-va vremea cu gasculite adevarate. Cred ca arat suficient de bine nu sunt nici grasa dar nici slaba
. Caut un barbat fidel in primul rand si sa fie amuzant.
Sunt destul de zapacita si cu o inima male male de tot:x I am a very simple girl with the true meaning of the humor. I like the outdoors and I wanted to try something new. I'm open-minded, sociable and considerate. I appreciate the honesty and sincerity. I do not accept lie, Suficient de simpatica Ma relaxez
realista ,sociabila ... I'm not a Princess, who wants to get marriage with some King to be a Queen and to have her own country kingdom! I'm just a little simple girl, who wants to find her second half, who will be also the simple man!!! I do not need any wealth!!! The main riches is LOVE, which, as I believe, will save the World!!! ceva fascinant :D
pur si modest eu..andreea Sunt o iubită deschisa la nou si provocarilor vietii in limita bunului simt. Sunt de întocmai o femeie ambitioasa, increzatoare in fortele proprii, capabila de sacrificiu si de daruire pentru cei apropiati. Sunt o fiinta comunicativa, de incredere care ascunde adevarul uneori dar o face spre folosul inlocuitorului sau. suficient de atragatoare orice..
I am a very shy and gentle woman, but as regards feelings and love, I am very open and always ready to take steps towards my destiny. Therefore, I am here. I'm very self-sufficient and I'm not used to depending on anyone, but still I want to be near a strong man whom I could lean on.
Dragostea este o fiinta salbatica. Cand incercam sa o tinem in frau, ne distruge. Cand incercam sa o inchidem, ne inrobeste. Cand incercam sa o intelegem, ne tulbura.EU SUNT DRAGOSTEA I am a positive and active woman who takes all the best from life. I love children and I am a caring woman and always worry about my closest people. I like to give people a smile. It all begins with a smile. I want to give you my first smile, which will be remembered to you as one of the most pleasant moments sunt exact cum ma vezi .....o fata de treaba ce anume caut ......vreau sa-mi fac noi prieteni
misterioasa si simpatica,rea dar tandra...ce ar fi sa descoperi solitar cum sunt!! sunt nici frumoasa,nici urita,nici bogata,nici saraca,imi plac oamenii si acord circumstante atenuante oricarei persoane,dar pastez distanta dintre mine si cei care vorbesc necuvincios..viata este atit de scurta incit este pacat sa ni-o scurtam si noi..sunt o iubită calma,am multa intelegere ptr ființele suferinde de boala,imi place sa ascult muzica picaturilor de ploaie..si-mi place sa privesc orizontul cu toate transformarile lui.. placut nu caut perfectiunea intruchipata pt ca nu exista...dar te caut pe tine.....
F sociabila Printre atatea zine de pe site, eu sunt o scorpie..rea,urata,lenesa...ma si intreb ce caut aici...sa stric ambientul.Daca nu ai simtul umorului,nu-ti pierde momentul cu mine. Am inteles ca Fat-Frumos e luat,dar Zmeul...Zmeul unde e? Placut Companie
arat bine si ma port frumos... Am invatat sa apreciez tot ceea ce primesc. Insa de multe ori privesc in spatele a ceea ce se vede, la pretul ascuns ochilor si inimilor grabite, sa vad cat a costat cu adevarat. Fiindca tindem sa trecem de multiple ori cu vederea pretul adevarat, fara sa pretuim la justa valoare ceea ce primim. Si sa nu ne dam seama ca intr-o simpla imbratisare putem primi uneori, nevazuta, chiar inima unui om.Am invatat ca, inainte sa judec, sa privesc dincolo de ce se vede. La pretul excelent al gestului care-mi sta in fata, ispitindu-ma sa il judec, fara sa stiu cat a costat, de fapt, cu adevarat. Cine stie cate imbratisari simple aruncam dispretuitori la gunoi, fara sa stim ca in vreuna dintre ele statea poate asezata, cu multe jertfe, dupa multe chinuri, lacrimi si dureri, inima unui om. Si inima unui om nu are pret... las pe alti sa comenteze! seriozitate....
sunt o fata extrem de sexy I am a single hard working and responsible woman. I am a good listener, kind, loving and humorous. I like to cook, watch good educative programs, gardening,reading and listening to music. I believe in love but i believe more in unconditional and honest love. I am looking forward to a solid relationship with a responsible man who is serious, God fearing and knows exactly what he want and is not confused about it. ochii caprui nu consum alcool fumez
poi . . . eu zic ca`s de treaba & suficient de intelegatoare . . . imi plac fluturasii, pisicile & florile albe(in special trandafirii albi) . . . mi-e frica de paianjeni & nu suport c-urvele sau sa tipe cineva la mine . . . poi . . . eu nu am o parere buna despre fizicul meu . . .unii zic ca as fi suficient de dragutza, dar cam scunduta . . . prieteni buni care sa ma inteleaga & care sa ma faca sa zambesc at cand am nevoie, indiferent de locatie, varsta sau lb pe care o vb . . . bn acum nici sa vb chineza ca nu intel nimic,dar eng si chiar italiana se accepta . . . pt ca prietenii buni raman prieteni buni indiferent de aceste detalii . . . kiss everybody :*
nebunica..:) What should be added to unwritten beauty else. Unless monstrous modesty! It is easy for me to be patient, light, transparent, invisible and not to rush things, which have to be seen for yourself. I am a kind girl, shy at first, but eager to flourish. Everything else waits ahead! Of course, sometimes there are bad days in my life, but then I reminisce what a sweet sun! Sunshine must be dealt between two... that is why I am here buna..:P distractie...
va las pe voi sa comentati:P Ich möchte, dass Sie wissen, dass ich mich auf dieser Seite getroffen habe, um meinen Seelenverwandten zu finden, und ich möchte einen Mann, der bereit für eine ernsthafte Beziehung ist, einen Mann, der bereit ist, einen Mann niederzulassen, der sich um seine Frau kümmern und gut aufpassen kann von ist Frau, ich möchte, dass Sie auch wissen, dass ich nicht online bin, um schmutzig zu reden oder Spiele zu spielen. Stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie Ihre Kontaktadresse hinterlassen Totusi,nu este de ajuns sa fim imbracate cu haine elegante sau sa fim frumose.Aceste aspecte conteaza pana ne deschidem gura,si incepem sa vorbim.Dupa aceea,intervin lucrurile cu adevarat importante:cum gandim?cum simtim?ce stim de fapt?
te astept sa ma descoperi I'm a woman with beautiful brown eyes like lakes. if to speak about me, i am tender, kind, enthusiastic, creative, sincere young Lady, I am romantic soft soul who will be very passionate to my beloved. I also have a wonderful dauther, she is 1,5 years old, and as she doesn't have father I really would like to find a man who can be a real father for her) placut un barbat matur care stie ce vrea de la viata
Sunt inalta.slaba.frumoasa.desteapta.iubarwata.inteligenta Ich möchte, dass Sie wissen, dass ich mich auf dieser Seite getroffen habe, um meinen Seelenverwandten zu finden, und ich möchte einen Mann, der bereit für eine ernsthafte Beziehung ist, einen Mann, der bereit ist, einen Mann niederzulassen, der sich um seine Frau kümmern und gut aufpassen kann von ist Frau, ich möchte, dass Sie auch wissen, dass ich nicht online bin, um schmutzig zu reden oder Spiele zu spielen. Stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie Ihre Kontaktadresse hinterlassen inalta .ochii caprui.par saten. caut prietenii pentru a comunica
...vrei sa afli mai multe....contacteaza-ma :P Das erste, was Sie über mich wissen sollte, ist, dass ich ein sehr ruhiger und schüchterner Mensch bin und es dauert einige Zeit, aber wenn die Chance gegeben Ich weiß schließlich beginnen zu öffnen mehr. Aber ich kann ehrlich sagen, dass ich ein lustiger Mensch bin und auf jeden Fall kennen zu lernen .. Ich Einfach und Classy bin. Ich habe einen guten Sinn für Humor, was loyal, fürsorglich, fleißig, intelligent, hübsch, romantisch, fürsorglich, sexy, Götter, brillant, talentiert, lustig und bin Ziele setzen für mich und mein Bestes tun, um diese Ziele zu erreichen, ist sehr wichtig, me .. ich bin liebevoll und zuvorkommend. Ich genieße zu Fuß am Strand, sind Singen und Dancing.My Interessen Musik, Lesen, Natur, Fotografieren, Lesen und verbringt viel Zeit zu Hause mit meinen Hunden. Ich liebe, zu lächeln und ich suche jemanden, der mich glücklich machen und lächeln immer. Ich bin sehr romantisch und leidenschaftlich und ich genieße Kochen. Ich bin ein einmal im Leben einmaliges Angebot, jeder Mann und jede Frau den Traum. Ich bin bereit, auf ein sicheres Fundament zu verlegen eine feste Beziehung und die Bedingungen zu erfüllen .. weil meine Karriere ist der wichtigste Teil meines Lebens verfolgen. "Der Himmel ist die Grenze. sunt slabutza....mai numeroase pe parcurs... as vrea sa discut cu cine vrea...asa despre viata in general....simpt nevoia uneori sa stau de vorba cu cineva....
sunt visul de ieri,umbra de maine si uneori ceata din amintirea anilor pierduti... I am open minded,friendly,caring, lovely,honest, considerate,faithful and have real good sense of humor. My favorite hobbies would conține the outdoors,and all kinds of sporting activities,hiking,day trips,movies, cooking,and most anything that makes both partners happy 1,70...48 kg...arat bine pentru cine stie sa ma priveasca din doua unghiuri diferite...unul fizic si altul spiritual... caut mancare=)))))) am glumit :D:D:D vreau sa intalnesc lume noua cu care sa pot sa rad si sa ma inteleg bine fara prea multe obligatii...
vesela,spontana,comunicativa,open mind ...My personality type tends toward being I'm outgoing people would most often describe me energetic, loving,caring, extremely emotional, bubbly, understanding, very supportive, very caring and warm, very passionate and loving, easy going and down to earth. placut
o fata open mind sunt o persoana intelegatoare,toleranta,dornica si inovatoare.sunt idealista si in acelasi timp dezamagita de lipsa de perfectiune din lume.sunt grozav constienta de propriile sentimente ca de pildă si a celor din jurul meu.prietenia, afectiunea si dragostea sunt foarte importante pentru mine.raceala si lipsa de implicare a sensibilitatii ma marcheaza mult. placut o relatie de prietenie
rea I donat mind when people tell me that my relationship ideals are a fairytale. If it is a fairytale to be loved, to be respected, to have passion, a moving and active love a if that is fairytale, then yes. If mutual respect, love, lust and friendship is a fairytale, then of course! I want to be in love with you, in lust with you, in like with you... itas a multidimensional world why would I want a one-dimensional relationship? I want love, passion, honesty and companionship... s e x that drives me crazy and conversation that drives me sane. Thatas the standard Iam setting. What standard are you setting? super placut sexualism
un pic cam nebuna.......pot enerva extrem usor pe oricine si ador sa vad cum isi ies din minti........imi place sa ma joc cu mintea oamenilor, sa ii provoc continuu.De ce ? asa imi demonstrez ca ies din categoria oamenilor obisnuiti.........AM GLUMIT!!! aiurea rau de tot dar trebuie sa se uite si la mine cineva , nu? sincer...............un " urat" ca si mine ........
Peaceful yet playful. Good sense of humor. I am creative and I enjoy learning for a better balance in life. I appreciate giving and receiving without keeping scores. Honesty is a must. Like beauty in life and people. Like my life full of "spices". Like people who know to listen. Like meaningful content. Spontaneity and being genuine. More at a different time and place. un barbat sincer ..sa ma iubeasca si sa stie ce vrea de la viata sa nu se gandeasca doar la sex!!!!!!!!
o prietenă normala Sunt o persoana buna, placuta, inteligenta . Sunt pensionara . imi vor sa gasesc o persoana întocmai caracterului meu. Pentru anii care au mai ramas , imi doresc o persoana sa fim fericiti impreuna. Persoanele neserioase sa se abtina ! placut un barbat sincer,onest,capabil sa isi respecte promisiunile,si daca nu cre prea mult sa vorbeasca si sa scrie corect romaneste
Draguta,inteligenta,dificila,haioasa,tandra,posesiva,geloasa,sentimentala,sufletista...mai bine spus defecte si calitati in egala masura,insa toate dulci in felul lor sunt o persoana intelegatoare,toleranta,dornica si inovatoare.sunt idealista si in acelasi timp dezamagita de lipsa de perfectiune din lume.sunt foarte constienta de propriile sentimente cum ar fi si a celor din jurul meu.prietenia, afectiunea si dragostea sunt destul de importante pentru mine.raceala si lipsa de implicare a sensibilitatii ma marcheaza mult.
te las pe tine sa ma descoperi... 19,atleta,UnivT Brasov /FSMSS Bacau 16xcampioana nationala 4xvicecampioana nationala 1xcampioana internationala 2xcampionala balcanica Locul6 Campionat Global 2014J3 Locul 4 Campionat European 2018J1 arat suficient de bine zic eu... persoane care stiu sa tina o prietenie sau o relatie.
tare scumpik Prefer sa nu-mi fac autoportretul, ci doar sa schitez cateva linii, pentru că "eu ma vad cu alti ochi, decat cei cu care ma vezi tu". Sunt o persoana serioasa, sensibila, creativa, cu simt al umorului, imi place sa calatoresc, sa vad si sa cunosc locuri si obiceiuri noi. Caut o RELATIE SERIOASA cu un domn de varsta apropiata de a mea. Nu ma intereseaza aaventurile de o noaptea. Raspund mesajelor civilizate. Multumesc ! placut prieteni
Buna! Sunt Alexandra,am 18 ani si sunt din Caracal/ judetul Corabia, Olt. Zodia-sagetator, vreau relatie serioasa si de lunga durata. Sunt o fire calma,iubitoare,intelegatoare si nu suport mninciuna. Emotiva, romantica,sensibila si precauta...prefer si iubesc siguranta. Compasiva...imi place sa ajut atunci cand altii sunt in dificultate..ma face fericita. Sunt mama....iubesc copiii deci sunt o fire f protectoare. Atata timp cat exista respect si sinceritate va exista dragoste eternaa️. Vreau un baiat simplu,intelegator pentru o relatie de lunga durata.
sunt o fata de gasca;)) Sunt o fire ambitioasa, putin orgolioasa, tenace, perseverenta. Ma caracterizeaza veselia si optimismul, dar sunt o persoana rationala. De asemenea, sunt destul de comunicativa, familista si am un stil de viata activ. n am timp deschis avand preocupari de afaceri /caut un gentleman serios sincer si sensibil caut liniste sufleteasca . crezi ca poti fi barbatul adresat mie ?????.imi vor un barbat de care sa mi fie dor tot momentul id meu jana_iv@yahoo.ca 1 67, satena, creata, ochi caprui.... prieteni(amici)doar atat!care sa fie plini de viata si de gasaca!!!:))
persoana cu simtul umorului,sociabila,prefer locurile linistite si restul descopera singur I am looking for the Right Person, a relationship that leads to marriage. My parents had a great marriage. Someone that will take your breath away by a touch or a glance. The person that can knock your socks off that knows you inside is called falling in love am not here to play games or send nude pictures am here to find loved life is to shot. placut o persoana glumeata si care sa ma respecte
am un temperament coleric , imi place sa cant sa dansez cu prietenii sa mananc inghetata ... nu mi plac oamenii care incearca sa para ceea ce nu sunt , lingusitorii si introvertitii ........ exista in viata ocazii cand realizezi ca ai avut circa de tine oameni minunati, oameni ... atat de frumosi pe dinauntru , incat iti lumineaza ziua ori de cate ori ii intalnesti... si exista clipe cand realizezi ca nu ai stiut sa te apropii de ei cand ai avut ocazia , sa i cunosti , sa i iubesti inca din întâia clipa , sa creezi alaturi de ei viata printr un zambet , printr o imbratisare , printr o surpriza imortalizata in amintiri... dar, pana la urma, ceea ce conteaza e miracolul ca i ai intalnit ... chiar daca nu i putem avea alaturi de noi mereu , in inima ne raman mereu aproape ... imi place sa visez si sa traiesc , sa fac cu pofta ceea ce iubesc , sa caut scantei in oameni , in imagini, in povesti , in atingeri , in potriviri ... imi place sa ma cred deosebita dar prea indolenta pentru a mi demonstra valoarea si imi tolerez cu placere lipsa de initiativa pe lista celorlalte defecte asumate ... imi place ideea ca mai pot face inca ceea ce vreau, urasc criticile , stiu ca e usor sa ma placi si îndeajuns de greu sa ma cunosti ...dar ador sa fiu "citita", din cand in cand ... am invatat recent sa iubesc inceputurile...si ideea ca e timp, e timp pentru absolut indiferent ce ... doar sa nu uiti sa te joci .... nu mult ... atat cat trebuie pentru a ti aduce visele in viata ... prietenie
Dragutza single 33 years no kids actually new on here and was giving it a real trial to see how it goes on here as I seek a matured loving man with a loving heart cos life is too short not to be in the arms of a precious excepțional loving man that desire me and my true love . And Iam ready to build a home and family with that serious man of love... sportiv barbat dragut de preferinta
sunt o persoana plina de viata...indrazneata...mereu in cautare de lucruri noi...mai bine va las pe voi sa ma descoperiti I'm not perfect, as any person, but as any person I want to be happy. I have many advantages which can be attractive to those men who are looking for their soul mates. I am a real woman and I like everything that is connected with it. I know that life is hard but I always try to stay optimistic. Family is what we should live for and I am ready to do everything to complete it. I feel that I was created to keep the family fire, I want to use a chance that I will be given. I feel myself 100% ready to marry , but only if I am sure that my marriage will last forever.I am a kind, easy-going, energetic and sociable woman. But at the same time I am calm and tolerant in relations with all people. And yes, I am also a loving, passionate, caring, positive minded and optimistic person. poza spune tot
Sunt o fata frumusica educata cu bun simt Carpe Diem Daca esti casatorit iti vor fericire dar nu imi scrie ca nu imi pierd timpul.Daca esti singur,stii sa spui bancuri ,stii sa dansezi,iti place muntele si nu ai ochi alunecosi atunci bine te-am gasit:). P.S.apreciez barbatii cu cei 7 ani de acasa.
I am a very open minded person, someone who accepts people as they are, I am a fair individual who adapts to changes in life and enjoys life to the fullest,and looking to meet a man that i can spend the rest of my life with in goodtimes and in badtimes as well, A man that I can love and cherished with all my whole being and heart and I pray to God almighty that he will provide me with that kind of a woman someday in my life. I'm pride of myself in being honest and most trustworthy, I seek that in a mate, someone who is compassionate yet understanding who has a calm behaviour and a great personality.
I am a very outgoing, warm, and caring person; yet can be extremely laid back when necessary. I love to laugh! In fact I believe it is one of my main traits which has kept people believing that I am in my late 30s. I enjoy great humor and have been told that I have a good sense of humor! I am also a keen observer and very good listener. I listen to what a person is saying as well as not saying. I can be shy at times if I feel that the situation will allow too much revelation of my true self. However, when it is appropriate for me to speak, I do so with diplomacy. I have very strong Christian, spiritual and moral values. It is the core basis of my faith that has kept me during trying times, and I will forever be thankful for the foundation I was given as a child. My parents were and are still Ministers. In fact the were the President and Dean of the Bible College I attended as well. I am at a point in my life where the Lord is certainly unfolding His plans in and for my life. I am actively involved with the youth and children's ministry and I do have a passion for working with the youths. After all, they are the foundation of the future. My goal is to travel the world and make a difference in the life of everyone with whom I come in contact. "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart.
Sunt carismatica,cu bun-simt I'm the one your mother warned you about! :) Barbatul grozav pentru mine trebuie : S? fie b?rbat, nu c??elu? orfan; S? ?tie ce vrea, ce poate ?i ce-i place; S? m? fac? s? m? simt singura nevastă din lume; S? ?tie r?spunsul la milionul de chestii care-mi sunt mie necunoscute; S? ?in? pasul cu planurile mele; S? nu se simt? in competi?ie cu mine, ci in echip?; S? nu considere c? treaba lui e s? se uite la meci ?i a mea s? m? oglindesc in smal?ul crati?elor.... the rest on private :)
O fata simpla si jucausa. Hi everyone, nice of u to visit my profile, im here ocasionaly to have a chat or 2 killing time. Im not in a serch of anything like most of the ppl here r im here for the fun. Im not iterested in giving to any of you my messenger or whatever chats u might use if u have something to say you might just do it in here. Enjoy ur staying in my profile. Barbat sau cupluri pentru relatii intime
I the nice girl. My growth 175 see, weight of 57 kg. I very kind and sympathetic. I like to listen to modern music and to walk in the nature, and still I support a healthy way of life. I do not drink and I do not smoke. I conduct an active way of life. My motto: "not to put off, when it is possible to make today."
sunt o entitate simpla, prezentabila, activa,optimista ,sociabila,amatoare de calatorii ,arta,cultura si sport.imi place sa ma inconjor doar de potență pozitiva,iubesc dreptatea, detest minciuna,sunt exigenta si punctuala. astept aliat de convietuire pe viata cu aceleasi simple dotari, doar petru o relatie stabila.
i never stop being grateful to God for his mercies upon my life and all the experiences that i have been exposed to. I am a fun loving man, jovial, Kind, easy going, lovely and passionate man. I like to have fun, work, travel, Play, and smile. I think of myself as being clever but harmless
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